A Rant on Wizardchan, MGTOW & Otaku who say “3D Women”

3d-women-are-not-important-cannot-stress-this-enough--green-3485169.pngAs someone who was single for a large part their life, I’ll freely admit that being a single straight guy trying to find love can be a struggle. There are terrible moments of anxiety, insecurity and heart crushing rejection, enough so that I can imagine why some might try to swear off women entirely. However, one must use a lot of cognitive dissonance to do this without feeling the social shame or a denial of the instinctual desire to perform sexual acts. But this is the internet, a magical place where memes can justify anything!

074An examples of this cognitive dissonance is done by turning that shame into pride by trying to convince themselves and others that they are proud of the fact that they are anti-social, or can’t approach or court women, such as they do on Wizardchan. Getting its name from a quote from the anime Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai: “If you pass the age of thirty as a virgin, you become a wizard” it’s not hard to see that this 4chan page is also intended for the mentally ill and those wanting to laugh at them. This is the equivalent of a modern freak-show for every socially inept recluse who needs help more than acceptance.

maxresdefaultAnother way to replace the shame with pride is through expressing agenda-based generalizations against the opposite sex. MGTOW is the closest thing I could find to the equivalent of male feminism. Swallowing the “red pill”, as they put it, is to “wake up” to the idea that females are either consciously or subconsciously taking advantage of their biological and social benefits to the detriment of men, this malicious agenda making ‘Men Go Their Own Way’ (hense MGTOW). This anti-coercion motive for abstinence shows a clear cognitive dissonance by the means of a conspiracy theory based on groundless generalizations about half the people of the planet.

0e2My last example is to express a preference of those catering for sexual desires, the most detached version of this being that of simulated females in the form of anime, games or visual novel dating simulators. These are the people who are so entrenched in the otaku culture that they legitimately use the caveat “3D” when talking about women to distinguish them from animated characters. For people who enjoy visual novels for the stories or style of the medium, these kinds of otaku or hikikomori are the reason why people narrow their eyes or smirk when finding out you enjoy visual novels.

5556536_061d9b56620d475d088e8c297f0d46b6Despite understanding why someone might want to swear off women, and even if some of the ideals behind them are appealing, the amount of mental flipflops one would have to go through to actually believe in these ideologies would have them denying reality. In short, you won’t become a wizard because you haven’t had sex at thirty, women don’t have a malicious agenda to pull your balls out through your wallet (and won’t if you don’t let them), and “3D women” are the only kind of women that exist.

– A. Normie

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62 Responses to A Rant on Wizardchan, MGTOW & Otaku who say “3D Women”

  1. Neroke says:

    No nice try that’s the old trad con BS that if you find the right woman all the other legalities just magically disappear!

    They DON’T
    Gee I wonder how a guy how a guy figuring this out EQUATES to hate.

    Go on there champ how exactly does that logic work

    Damn this is easy!

    • I guess I’m the exception then.
      I’ve been with my partner for 10 years, haven’t worked a proper job in that entire time either. She’s supported me completely, been loyal, doesn’t want kids like me, I love it, and even if she did fuck me over for no reason (which I don’t see how because we’re not married and she’s given me far money than she could ever take from me) I live in a flatting situation where all witnesses would turn in my favor for any domestic charge. If you can think of a downside to this situation, one that anyone can achieve with the right knowhow, please tell me. That’s why I think MGTOW claims are BS, because my lifestyle is in complete contradiction to their doctrine.

      • Neroke says:

        Not an answer what part of ANY of those issues are BS

        You came out made a claim, BACK IT UP

        You want to make an extreme claim then SHOW US where with proof how every point I claimed was BS

        Saying “duuuuh! It’s all BS” ain’t a fucking argument

      • Neroke says:

        Oh wait I get it, you’re situation is working so THEREFORE everyone else’s is working out fine just like magic too!!

        Yup yup yup that’s some real grounding in reality you got there

        I guess the earth is flat and there’s also 685473 different socially constructed genders too

    • Christopher Keene says:

      What extreme claim are you talking about? Both of the claims I made in my previous post I myself am the example for. I used to hate women because I was indoctrinated into the MGTOW ideology for a while, I am an example of that claim. And my claim “there are ways to both have a relationship and avoid those repercussions” I am a living of example of that claim as well (which what my last post was about). You’re asking me for proof, well, here I am. And unless you want to play a no true Scotsman fallacy to say I wasn’t “a real MGTOW”, I have years of writing and bloody terrible song I wrote during that time to show it:

      I don’t have a girlfriend, commitment ain’t my style,
      I’m in no way a ladies man, though I could flirt with one for a while,
      But tell me what the point is, most girls will only tease,
      Wouldn’t get with me anyway, once they notice my lack of car keys,
      They won’t work, they only want to play,
      All they’re really good for is sex, but sex is overrated anyway.

      Tell me, what kind of young man would write such a stupid song if he didn’t honestly believe this to be the case at the time? If that isn’t good enough proof for you, I don’t know what will be. Unless you’re going to say I made some other claim, please, go ahead. As for your last claim, you’re confusing an ought for an is. I’m saying if guys were smarter, they wouldn’t be dealing with the stuff you’re so afraid of. I’m no one special, I’m unattractive, jobless, and have a lisp, if I can do it, anyone can.

      • Neroke says:

        The claim that MGTOW points are bullshit.

        Oh you used to be in MGTOW huh?

        Ok then let’s talk shop then?
        Tell me Mr Ex MGTOW what are the issues that tie all MGTOW together. I’ll even give you a hint Misogyny AINT one of them

        You used to be MGTOW so that answer will be a BREEZE for you to answer

        Oh and that claim you just made that relationships and MGTOW that ain’t one of them either

        And no true Scotsman DOESN’T apply here

        This is an EASY answer for a guy who’s MGTOW so ANSWER IT!

      • Christopher Keene says:

        MGTOW issues mostly spring from evolutionary psychological remnants of things that helped us survive when we early humans (and probably a little before that). Gynocentrism is one example of these, which today bias society and disadvantage men, but there are others relating to basic survival psychology such us basic opportunism which has been a fixture in women due to man’s tendency towards polygamy (eggs are dare, sperm are cheap, Bio 101). This obviously echoes to economic issues around how personality and physiological differences affect general income added with general human greed and jealousy. I could go on, but basically, there’s surface-level MGTOW which generally focuses on outcomes (your list of fears you made in a comment lower down), which you seem to, and sub-level MGTOW, which focuses on underlying causes, which I think is a much more constructive way to think about it if you want to avoid those outcomes. Oh, read carefully please, because I said “I was indoctrinated into the MGTOW ideology for a while” meaning I’m not one now, generally due to their conclusions on how to react to these facets, which are the points I think are BS.

    • Christopher Keene says:

      MGTOW issues mostly spring from evolutionary psychological remnants of things that helped us survive when we early humans (and probably a little before that). Gynocentrism is one example of these, which today bias society and disadvantage men, but there are others relating to basic survival psychology such us basic opportunism which has been a fixture in women due to man’s tendency towards polygamy (eggs are dare, sperm are cheap, Bio 101). This obviously echoes to economic issues around how personality and physiological differences affect general income added with general human greed and jealousy. I could go on, but basically, there’s surface-level MGTOW which generally focuses on outcomes (your list of fears you made in a comment lower down), which you seem to, and sub-level MGTOW, which focuses on underlying causes, which I think is a much more constructive way to think about it if you want to avoid those outcomes. Oh, read carefully please, because I said “I was indoctrinated into the MGTOW ideology for a while” meaning I’m not one now, generally due to their conclusions on how to react to these facets, which are the points I think are BS.

      • Neroke says:

        Wow!! I mean just…Wow!
        You went into massive word salad and literally ANSWERED NOTHING
        You sort of came close once then like the ahem “smart” guy you were you blew is MASSIVELY!

        That was an easy question that requires just a couple of sentences to answer and not some long verbiage that once checked falls apart

        YOU were never MGTOW, you tried to dress it up and No True Scotsman aside if you’d been “indoctrinated” into MGTOW (The very USE of that term, by the way, tells me that you were never a MGTOW) The answer you gave is utter SHIT

        God Damn this is easy! What is like being this smart yet so epically fucking stupid at the same time. Seriously I’ve seen moronic bible thumping rednecks come up with better answers than the one you just tried here

        Again YOU WERE NEVER A MGTOW! So stop fucking lying and also stop commenting on something that’s clearly out of your mental grasp

      • Neroke says:

        Oh I’m sorry did my reply come across as rude?
        Well gee…sorry that tends to happen when people try to BULLSHIT ME!

    • Lazarinth says:

      Alright, I’m calling your bluff. Tell me then.
      Let’s see if you actually have something.
      It’s your turn. Don’t disappoint me now.

      • Neroke says:

        What Bluff

        It’s an easy question to answer so stop deflecting and answer it!

        Because that previous post of yours once you peel away all the attempts to look smart ISN’T even close to an answer.

        You were told to answer the question ANSWER IT! This last thing you just posted only makes you look even more ignorant than you already are

      • Lazarinth says:

        You made a claim: “That was an easy question that requires just a couple of sentences to answer” So? Let’s hear it. You clearly weren’t satisfied with my answer, so let’s hear yours.

    • Lazarinth says:

      If I’m ignorant, then enlighten me, oh, mgtow grand master.

      • Neroke says:

        STOP DEFLECTING and answer the question! God damn what is with morons like you doing everything in your power to avoid ADDRESSING THE FUCKING POINT!

        You claim you were indoctrinated by MGTOW then the question is an easy answer so ANSWER IT! You were called out first, not me, Got that!

      • Lazarinth says:

        You demand my answer, I say I’ve given it (indepth as far as I’m concerned), but you said my answer was incorrect. Following so far?
        So, I ask you, “What is the correct anwer then?”
        But instead of actually telling me what the correct answer is in order to show how I’m wrong, you demand another answer. Why? You clearly think my answer is incorrect, so why should I bother repeating myself when you, apparently, know the correct one?
        But because you’re full of shit, and can’t correct me with your apparently correct answer, all you can do is repeat a demand I’ve already fulfilled.
        It’s sad.

      • Neroke says:

        No you didn’t give the answer. Since argumentum ad nauseum is going to be your excuse here they are in no specific order
        1. No Marriage
        2. Anti Gynocentrism
        3. Any woman any time can turn your life upside down
        4. No women in MGTOW

        You were WAY off in fact you were so far off that it’s clear you’re lying about ever having been ‘indoctrinated’

        Bluff called BYE!

    • Christopher Keene says:

      Q: Tell me Mr Ex MGTOW what are the issues that tie all MGTOW together.
      A: 1. No Marriage
      2. Anti Gynocentrism
      3. Any woman any time can turn your life upside down
      4. No women in MGTOW
      These aren’t issues, they’re more tenants, or at, best agreements. Why would MGTOW have an issue with these things? This what they all think. That’s like saying all fishermen have an issue with using fishing rods for fishing. Good job numbskull you answered your own question incorrectly. By this point, however, I’m not at all surprised.

      • Neroke says:

        You LOST asshole! These things I just told you a guy with a single digit IQ could figure

        Argumentum ad Nauseum Isn’t going to turn it around for you.

        You lied, you got caught and called on it!…BYE!!!!!

      • Neroke says:

        Oh and just an FYI here here idiot the fisherman point is a false equivalency

        You like to think you’re smart? You’re not

    • Lazarinth says:

      1. No Marriage isn’t an issue for MGTOW because they don’t want to get married.
      2. Anti Gynocentrism isn’t an issue for MGTOW because they are themselves anti gynocentric.
      3. Any woman any time can turn your life upside down isn’t because MGTOW generally away from situations like this.
      4. No women in MGTOW… now THIS is an issue which I’ve heard some debate on.
      1/4 isn’t bad for some one as slow as you.

      • Neroke says:

        Holy shit you’re such a lying piece of s**t that you’re trying to claim my answers are yours

        And I’M the one that’s dim.

        YOU LOST you couldn’t answer the question, then tried to bury your cowardice under verbiage, then used false equivalency to dismiss then

        And NOW you’re trying to explain MGTOW to a guy that’s MGTOW

        EVERYONE FACT CHECK THE THREAD

        What is it like being such a disgusting excuse for a dishonest POS

        Seriously dude fuck off!

    • Lazarinth says:

      Now if you had said MGTOW all have an issue with marriage, Gynocentrism, woman who want to turn their lives upside down, those would all points I would agree with, but you said the complete opposite. Are you sure you’re a true MGTOW? You don’t sound like one.

      • Neroke says:

        You have no idea what MGTOW is you lying POS!

        Remember you couldn’t even answer the original rebuttal properly asshole

    • Lazarinth says:

      How? That was your answer not mine. I’m not even a MGTOW and I’m representing their views better that you are, even if 50% of them are the paranoid ravings of people who don’t have the IQ to play the courtship smartly and instead bail out outof the gene pool pathetically. If you have such an issue with no marriage, then get married. If you have an issue with anti Gynocentrism then be a gynocentrist, you do you man.

      • Neroke says:

        Uh no it’s more like most of them have figured out that the juice ain’t worth the squeeze

        By the way the fact you just said that as a definition CONCLUSIVELY proves that you’re a liar.

        Now you’ve lost TWICE now!

        Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn this is easy. Fuck you’re an idiot keep coming though I’m loving make an asshat like you who claimed he owned so many other MGTOW look like a fucking idiot over and over again

    • Lazarinth says:

      I can hear Darwin whispering in my ear. He’s saying: “shhh, this is how it works.”

  2. Anonymous says:

    Whats utter horsehit is your argument you sjw faggot

  3. Anonymous says:

    Are you high
    The vast majority of this is either wrong or a lie

    • Lazarinth says:

      I usually am when i write posts but considering you gave no examples, I’m going to assume you have none.

      • Anonymous says:

        1. Wizardchan didn’t exist in 2016 when it was posted. Only Wizchan.
        2. Wizards don’t say 3D women. They say 3D, succubi, etc.
        3. It’s not a 4Chan page. It’s a separate site.
        4. No mention of antinatalism, David Benatar, euthanasia, physical health problems. Topics which are popular there.
        5. The whole article is written by a biased normalfag who sincerely believes there’s no people with rational thinking, sincere personal disgust with human body, behaviour and unnecessity in human interaction.
        Incels call wizards incels in denial, normalfags call wizards sour grapes. Not a surprise in this oversexualized society.

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t know if you were serious about it or not, but the last paragraph especially is what I was talking about. It is not a mental flip-flop to want to remain a virgin, and literally none of the things you listed as the reality-denying aspects of the wizard ideology are true.

      • Neroke says:

        Getting angry at such an epic piece of crap like this article isn’t getting hit close to home. It’s more like you’re literally so dishonest and stupid that anger can’t really be helped.

        But yeah you know where you can stick your gaslighting

    • Lazarinth says:

      Each paragraph is on a different group, I’m not conflating them beside them being retarded for lacking forsight and shame, and wizchan is a short form of the wizard chan page that existed before. Everything about antinatalism is besides the point because you can follow those stances and not be associated with the group. The rest is association, nitpicking and name callng. I give your argument an F.

    • Christopher Keene says:

      The reason you can’t tell if I’m being serious is probably because I’m saying something outside of your confirmation bias. Unless you want to deny evolution, the point of which is thanks to the urge to pro-create with sex, it totally is a mental flip-flop to want to remain a virgin. How can it not be true, I only list exactly what it said on their group.

      • Anonymous says:

        You seem to imply that the inhabitants of wizchan believe that they will become real wizards, which is incorrect, it’s just a term they use to refer to themselves and their community. As for their group, I am not aware of their group, but ultimately the people who define wizardry in this context are the denizens of their anonymous imageboard, not one of their number who made some sort of group. I don’t really understand the sentence “pull your balls out through your wallet”, so I apologise for claiming the falsehood of that statement without understanding what it meant. And as for the last claim, I believe that wizchanners are fully aware that 3D women are the only real women, though there was that one waifuist a while back that maybe might have had the delusion that 2D women are real. As for denying evolution- I do not see how wishing not to partake in it is denial of it’s existence, if you meant it in that sense, and if you mean in the sense of not contributing to evolution- I don’t understand how this denies reality, Antinatalism is not a fantasy and is based on a moral observation that birth causes suffering, even if it also creates pleasure.

    • Christopher Keene says:

      I’m not against antinatalism, in fact, I support it, but it’s completely irrelevant to the point. Having sex without having a child doesn’t stop the desire for sex, which is an almost unavoidable aspect of our evolution. Unless you’re talking about the tiny minority of people who are asexual, many of whom still have sexual desire, to deny yourself fulfillment of that desire and justify it with arguments that can be solved with a bit of foresight is exactly what I would consider mental flip-flops.

      • Anonymous says:

        They aren’t against fulfilling sexual desire, there’s a fap thread on wizchan. Some are, some wish to stop masturbating, but I think these are in the minority.

    • Christopher Keene says:

      Once again, irrelevant. I feel like I’m talking to virgin if you think the desire for sex and the desire for masturbation are one the in the same.

    • Lazarinth says:

      Well, I did say it was “intended for the mentally ill and those wanting to laugh at them.”

  4. Steve says:

    kill all 3D motha fucka’s.

  5. I was both mgtow and a otaku, I see the damage it did to me.

    • Neroke says:

      Oh you used to be MGTOW huh

      Guess you won’t have any problems telling us the few things that tie all MGTOW together then. I mean these are so smacking obvious it would take you all of a couple of hours of looking do figure them out

      Oh wait yeah, you’re LYING
      Seriously what the fuck is with idiots claiming they used to be MGTOW then not being able to even describe what it is.

  6. Really interesting post! I don’t like MGTOW (who does?) but I can see why it’s happened- it’s an obvious backlash to the extremes of feminism- I don’t think, however, that extremes are good in any respect- it’s a rather immature response that if things go too far one way, to take it to the extreme in the other direction. Sorry, rambly thoughts there!

  7. norman genocide says:

    Wew lad

  8. john smith says:

    Women can, will, and do pull a man’s balls out through his wallet with malicious intent and efficiency. They do not have an agenda to do so until it is convenient for them. Then it is just as easy as a 911 call. Every Western female knows she has this power. Some exercise it, some don’t. But a man never finds out until it is too late. For the time being, MGTOW is the only answer. No amount of fantasy gymnastics can overcome legal reality.

    • Christopher Keene says:

      That’s something that MGTOW and feminists seem to have in common. They both insinuate that we are weak to the whims of the opposite sex. MGTOW says gynocentrism gives women power and men can’t do anything when they want to fuck them over, and feminists say that the patriarchy give men power and that they are oppressed by it. Doesn’t that make both sexes sound pathetic? And what’s their answer? To avoid each other like scared children, instead of learning from each new experience until you know the ins and outs and find a happiness that lasts longer the the one before it. Isn’t that a part of life?

  9. hlmwilki says:

    You mentioned that there’s a social shame with somehow not being someone who attracts women or can’t get laid. While I do agree that if you spend most of your time not socialising whether that be offline or online, then you are unlikely going to find yourself not single and life is much nicer with a partner than not. So, being a virgin for that long (in your late 30s) can indicate deeper social problems like not being able to communicate with women and bond with them and whatnot. However there’s nothing wrong with being a virgin in and of itself. I personally want to do all that within the confines of a marriage, since inspite of my instinctual urges, I don’t fancy humping every girl I find attractive.
    No one should be shamed for not having sex, but I take on board that we shouldn’t make up bullshit like women are evil and whatever. However I do believe women from different cultures do have a different approach to courtship. As an example american women expect the men to approach them and the intentions with meeting guys is to either have fun and sex, or be in a relationship. Filippina women by contrast are proactive, and tend to look for men with marriage material. Depending on their religious upbringing the filippinas may have sex before marriage or save themselves for marriage but in any case, marriage is very much on the minds of these women.
    So dating an american (or in my case English) woman would probably have led to difficulties because my boundaries regarding intimacies are more stringent than what is commonly practiced in the west.
    But to make the final point: men need women, and women need men to enjoy a more fulfilled life, though different individuals mess it up for other individuals.

    • Christopher Keene says:

      You’re right, there might not be anything wrong with missing out on a fantastic life experience, but it’s still a shame they have to miss out, hence why they might feel shame because of it.

      Besides spiritual reasons, which I get might be your motive, I don’t really see the point in marriage. If two people love each other they should be together, I can’t see why they’d need a third party like the state involved if their are de facto laws in place.

      I’ll just assume you’re talking about straight men and women for your final point.

      • hlmwilki says:

        True I’m talking about straight men and women 😅
        I agree that if it weren’t for religious reasons, marriage wouldn’t really be something necessary. I wanted to say that marriage acts as a contract so it is harder to walk away from though many people do walk away from their marriages, and others feel miserable in a marriage they feel they can’t walk away from.
        Ultimately we are each looking for that one other person to share our lives with and to experience that part of life which includes sex, emotional intimacy, children and a constant companion. So I agree it is stupid for either gender to write the other gender off. However it does turn out that a lot of people just aren’t a good fit to you, so part of life is finding a good person that will add fulfilment to your life.
        By the way, what if a person decided to be celibate and actually devote himself to certain spiritual arts. Wouldn’t he become a wizard by the time he’s 30? 😅

    • Christopher Keene says:

      That’s true, a lot of marriages end in divorce. For me, the fact that my partner could easily walk away from our relationship and yet decides not to, and has decided this consistently for the last 8 years, is far more romantic than if she felt she couldn’t or shouldn’t because of some contractual obligation.

      I feel a part of finding ‘a good person that will add fulfillment to your life’ should involve testing the waters sexually with them to see if they fulfill that part of your life as well. I mean what if your desires aren’t compatible with theirs? You could spend your whole life unsatisfied with something that’s a reasonably big part of your relationship if you feel obligated to say with them. It’s rolling the dice otherwise.

      All honest priests are wizards then.

  10. hlmwilki says:

    Reblogged this on Athemir's Thoughts and commented:
    I couldn’t have said it better myself. This is a nice article by Lazarinth where he shows the absurdity of the MGTOW ideology.

    • Neroke says:

      Really?
      What’s absurd?

      The Unbalanced courts?
      The Lifetime Alimony?
      Criminal prosecution of Child Support?
      Paternity Fraud?
      False Accusations?

      OK champ go ahead and tell me what’s absurd of any of these and BE SPECIFIC!

      • Lazarinth says:

        I think there’s a disassociation of argument points here. From what I gather MGTOW is men avoiding relationships with women in fear of legal backlash or being taken advantage of. Fair enough. But, depending on your areas laws, and understanding of yourself and the type of person you want to be with, there are ways to both have a relationship and avoid those reprecussions. And unless you blame individuals for the actions of their group identity or the rules of the society they live in, then that knowhow should limit the risk factors of such relationships. The rest is a smoke screen of ideology and indocrinated hate.

  11. gunlord500 says:

    Haha, great post! I’m always on the lookout for takedowns of MGTOW nonsense (those guys tend to annoy me) and I’m glad to have found another one. Yeah, the biggest problem with that scene is what you described: The hatred and paranoia about 50% of the population. I don’t want to get married either, but I don’t need a bitter, butthurt support group nor conspiracy theories about how feminism and/or women in general will destroy civilization (any day now) to be a happy bachelor.

    • Lazarinth says:

      Their ideology implied females can’t deny their own nature. I’m being supported by my partner so I’m like a living contradiction to their belief that women leach off or only need men for their resources. It’s utter horseshit.

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